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Jason Schmidt's avatar

That's essentially a list of reasons why it would be difficult, which I acknowledged.

What I'm looking for is a refutation of the idea that it may be necessary in spite of the difficulty involved. Republicans are doing tremendous damage to the structures of those agencies, and show every intention of continuing to do for the indefinite future. If I thought Transportation, HHS, and Education would be allowed to continue to work on their agency missions unmolested, I wouldn't even be talking about this. But they aren't going to be able to do that. Trump's already using DoE funding to attack colleges and universities. So what are we really talking about here? If we cut it with a stipulation that taxes for the bottom 80% of earners have to be cut to account for the reduction in expenditures -- so states can take on those roles -- how much are we actually going to lose *compared to* how much they're going to take?

That's why I called it turning in to the skid. If we reverse course and go toward them suddenly, we can at least get concessions that would allow us to pick up those functions locally. Otherwise they're just going to keep cutting programs in blue states, and figuring out ways to send money to red states. That's what Trump is really talking about when he talks about moving agency offices out of DC. He'll cut $1 billion in program funding for Kentucky, but then he'll put the headquarters of the Department of Transportation there, and it'll provide at least that much in funding back to the state. Meanwhile, all Washington, California, and the other nineteen blue states will get is $1 billion in lost program funding -- plus whatever random punishments Trump assigns for "sanctuary cities" and whatnot (the Small Business Administration announced plans four days ago to move one of its regional offices out of Seattle for this reason, under the Trump administration). Just like all the ICE raids that are only happening in Democratic cities. It's like that quote from that Peruvian fascist dictator, Óscar Benavides: "For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law."

So yes, it would be hard. What else am I missing?

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Loca's avatar

I got this allocation of federal spending from the Dept of Treasury site:

27 % Department of Health and Human Services

22 % Social Security Administration

19 % Department of the Treasury

13 % Department of Defense--Military Programs

6 % Department of Veterans Affairs

4 % Department of Agriculture

3 % Department of Education

2 % Office of Personnel Management

2 % Department of Homeland Security

2 % Department of Transportation

3 % Other

So I can see how we could replace the HHS and Education at the state level, but things like Defense and Transportation get tricky. (I don't like how much we spend on Defense, but I also don't understand how we could push for an every state fend for itself model. Would states just take ownership of all federal military bases and employees? What about overseas bases?

The VA really needs to be a federal concern because the military is federal. California could set up its own VA, but having lopsided levels of service based on where you happen to be living would create all kinds of issues for the military and for states dealing with migration for the sole purpose of receiving care.

Similar issues for Transportation - how do you have individual state-based FAA?

And things like SSA - we've been paying into this system our entire working lives, and the only way we get any money back from it when we turn 62/65/67 is by having younger people still paying into it. Yes, the states could institute their own form of retirement benefit program, but I don't see how us Gen Xers don't get entirely screwed in that scenario.

It really feels like the only way to accomplish what you're suggesting here is full secession.

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